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Fedor the great? So, let’s talk about the hype machine that is Fighters.com Heavyweight Champion “Last Emperor” Fedor Emelianenko (31-1) and the better UFC heavyweights Fedor is ducking Strikeforce.
Is he the greatest MMA fighter ever? No.
Has he faced and beaten the best in the game? No.
Fedor is a great fighter, and has faced and defeated some great fighters. He is not the greatest fighter in MMA history. To be the greatest ever, you have to seek out the greats and take them out, over and over. Fedor has faced “Cro Cop” Mirko Filipovic’s (23-6-2) and fourth-ranked “Minotauro” Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-5-1) in what most believe were their primes. Fedor has faced fighters larger than himself, such as “Techno Goliath” Hong Man Choi (1-1), and quicker fighters, like tenth-ranked “Pitbull” Andrei Arlovski (14-7), and he has always found a way to defeat them.
Each one of the fighters that Fedor has faced and defeated have been defeated by other fighters just the same, and yet those victorious fighters aren’t touted as the greatest ever. Fedor has not faced the super athletes of today and proven that he can keep up with the evolution of the sport. Fedor had the opportunity to face the greatest fighters in the world by signing with the UFC, and opted not to. Fedor isn’t building his legacy as the greatest mixed martial artist to ever live; he is building a winning career. Much like professional boxers and their promoters, Fedor isn’t seeking out the toughest opponents. He is letting his handlers feed him fighters and taking fights he has better odds at winning.
The UFC has always been criticized that they do not have a strong heavyweight class, and until now it’s been true. With fighters entering the Octagon like second-ranked, UFC champ Brock Lesnar (4-1), sixth-ranked Shane Carwin (9-0), Cain Velasquez (6-0), and up-and-comer Todd Duffee (5-0), the tables are turning and now the UFC touts a heavyweight class rivaled by few.
Fedor knew what he was doing by signing with Strikeforce. He was cementing his legacy and ensuring no defeat. If Fedor was worried about being the best fighter in history, he would seek out the top challenges and test his mettle. The UFC has at least three fighters that could easily pick Emelianenko apart.
Big, bad, Brock Lesnar not only has the power to take Fedor down, but has the sheer size needed to nullify Fedor’s wrestling and submission game. Although it would probably turn into another Lesnar lay-and-pray special, Brock would defeat the considerably smaller Fedor. Brock is one of those freak athletes that doesn’t come around often, but when they do make a huge statement. My prediction on that fight would be Lesnar by TKO late in the second if it made it that far.
UFC top heavy weight contender Shane Carwin could possibly pose the largest knock out threat. Fedor has taken some shots before, but nothing like what Carwin can bring. Shane has a strong wrestling background, and would be able to fend off any Fedor takedown attempts. Carwin’s size and strength, along with his flexibility would be able to stuff any submission attempts. Carwin, just like Lesnar, is a freakishly huge, explosive, powerful fighter that is part of the new class of heavyweight; a class that Fedor has no answer for. My call on that fight: Carwin by KO/TKO in the third.
This is probably the pick that will be the one that creates the largest stir. Cain Velasquez, in all of his underestimated power and aggressive hunger, would be too much to Fedor to fend off. Cain is young, explosive, hungry and ridiculously strong all wrapped up in an unassuming middle of the road looking package. Cain doesn’t have the larger-than-life frame like Carwin or Lesnar, but I think we can all agree that he is strong and only getting stronger. Cain’s wrestling would top Fedor, and probably prove too much for Fedor to handle. Cain’s ability to stay on top, and impose his will would prove too much for Fedor resulting in what I’d call a three-round unanimous decision. Cain is someone to keep an eye on, if he isn’t on your radar yet.
Still think Fedor is unbeatable? How about the up and coming heavyweight class like Greg Jackson’s The Ultimate Fighter alum and favorite to win this season’s TUF, Brendan Schaub (3-0)? How about the current knock out record holder Todd Duffee? Strikeforce heavyweight champion “Demolition Man” Alistair Overeem (29-10) is so sure that he would defeat Fedor that he isn’t even concerned with fighting him. If your argument here is experience, then why was Fedor’s defeat of Brett Rogers, who less than a year ago was changing tires at his local Sam’s Club, anything to buzz about?
Fedor is a great fighter, fighting mediocre fighters in an attempt to maintain his hype and sell his name. Fedor isn’t going to seek out great challenges and fight the best. Fedor isn’t going to accept any deal the UFC offers. Fedor is going to continue to fight who he can beat, and take those victories all the way to the bank. Fedor is not the greatest fighter ever. He is a great fighter that knows his time and pay checks are limited and doesn’t want to lose his money making appeal. So for now, I’ll agree to call Fedor the greatest MMA fighter that never was.
Disagree? Josh Turner will be fielding arguments to the contrary on MMA Gospel Radio Saturday between 6:00 and 8:00 PM. Reverend Turk Vangel, Gary Friedman, and Drew Hall will also welcome recent Strikeforce signee “Relentless” Roger Bowling (5-0) to the broadcast. Listen live and join us in the chat room at www.blogtalkradio.com/mmagospel Saturday between 6:00 and 8:00 PM.
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this whole thing should be the other way around. people should be defending brock lesnar, cause he would be the underdog in an eventual emelianenko-lesnar match up. he has no experience, no good stand up game, no jiu jitsu he’s just big but fedor has destroyed bigger fighters than him. i can’t believe that so many people (me including) has to defend fedor’s accomplishments in mma. i guess that’s what happens when you do your job the best way you can and don’t talk trash about other people. one thing is certain, dana white’s efforts to descredit any fighter who doesn’t sell out to him are really working. the ufc heavyweight division is not the best there is, having a champ with a 4-1 record is prove of that. and josh turner sucks not only as a writer but as a person also for being so stupid to have this opinion or for being a sell out and write tihs crap for the ufc. this website and mma gospel radio have no credibility or at least are loosing it for publishing this shit.
It is completely true that at times, judging is completely corrupt, shit happens that shouldn’t, we all have our opinions, and we are entitled to them. I agree with your “Judging is arbitrary” article, but as many know, and by the horrible feedback you’ve gotten, you know, sometimes you can be right, and sometimes you can be wrong, and with respect to Fedor, you were wrong. Accept it, and keep writing, cuz some of your stuff can actually hit home.
@Reverend Turk of MMA Gospel Radio
Well I have to totally dissaggree here Fedor’s record cannot be overlooked for one and in my opinion and I’s sure many other’s would aggree Fedor is a true master at what he does. Lesnar is adangerous as a fighter but, he has not developed the skills to be truly great. He standup needs alot of work as well as his submission game. I’m sure he will working on this but it will be years for him to develop a skill set equal to Fedor’s. If these two fought right now. I believe Fedor would show just how green Lesnar is in MMA.
Futhermore, I just want to comment on everyone saying Fedor has not faced an opponent like Lesnar. I believe this is true. Fedor has not faced anyone with the all the pyshical gifts that Lesnar has. But I believe that Lesnar has yet to face an opponent like Fedor. Lesnar has not faced such an itelligent fighter and calm and collected fighter as Fedor. Fedor would not allow Lesnar’s size and strengh to throw him off his game plan. Fedor would never make the mistake’s that other fighters have agaisnt Lesnar. His iron will would keep him from doing this.
In the end I believe Fedor would break Lesnar mentally first by showing his superior skill in every aspect of MMA and then he would most likely knock Lesnar out in much the same fashion he did agaisnt Rogers.
P.S. – Mir, Coutrure, Valasquez, Kongo, Carwin would all fall before the last emperor.
@Etienne D.
Thank you but I did not write the Fedor article. I only wrote the judging article.
Look for more pieces from me in the future
WHATTTT???????????
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!
This must be put up by DANA WHITE.
Dana white is angry because fedor didn’t want to be his doggy.
Dana white doesn’t care about mma or the fighters…he just cares about the money.
There is so many prove of this…look at the time when Tito was leaving the ufc.
He told everybody the truth about Dana. Dana wants doggy’s to fight for him and promises them a nice future and a lot of money. Tito needs money and thats why he came back on his knees to Dana. It reminds me of the movie called ‘unleashed’.
Look at his favorite fighter…the almighty brock lesnar (who has a whole in his intestines because of the steroids and stuff).
He fought only 5 fights and supposed to be the greatest????
He is just a steroid trained man who can make a lot of money for Dana because he looks mean. Dana can use that for his nice promotion video’s
Brock doesn’t deserve to have a chance to fight fedor…first make at least 20 good fights.
Fedor has beaten more then 5 UFC champs!!!!
Not to mention his huge list of fights without a loss. They want to let fedor lose by putting to strongest fighter in front of him. And when Fedor wins the game they say that he didn’t had a real strong opponent. This always make me laugh
This nice normal looking guy (fedor) destroys everybody
Dana knows that fedor is the best and really wants him. He can make nice promotion video’s about fedors so called mysterious background. Dana would have made millions!
But now he is angry because fedor don’t want to be his doggy.
Do you wanna know why fedor didn’t go to the UFC…
THAT’S BECAUSE DANA DIDN’T WANT TO PUT THE NAME “M1′ NEXT TO HIS TITLE.
THAT’S THE ONLY REASON WHY FEDOR IS NOT IN THE UFC. FEDOR NEVER SAID NO TO CHALLENGERS. CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS? DANA IS SO SELVISH THAT HE WOULD NOT LET US SEE FEDOR FIGHT IN THE UFC BECAUSE FEDOR ONLY WANTED THE M1 LOGO NEXT TO THE UFC LOGO IN HIS FIGHTS!!!!!
I’m going to make a video and put it on youtube.
I will explain everybody THE TRUTH about DANA, THE UFC AND FEDOR!!!
I’m going to call it : THE TRUTH ABOUT DANA,UFC AND FEDOR.
I know a lot of things that the fans don’t know.
Forgive me for my bad english….i’m not from the usa or england.
I’ll be back DANA!
why don’t you get in the ring and put your money where your big mouth is.
this guy is a douche bags he dismissed the rodgers fight saying that it was nothing to buzz about and saying that shane carwin will be a harder fight then why is rodgers ranked higher than carwin.
Fedor has already proof he is the best, don’t be a stupid idiot ! It’s not a game about “I can crush the world with my hands”, I’m the toughest, I’m the greatest. It’s a mental game between youself ! And fedor has proved to the world he has the guts and the brain to keep up with the good skills and record. That’s it.
If lesnar or somebody else wants to do the same, first of all has to prove he has the skills and the guts to improve his record. And also escape from that stupid UFC monopoly, there are more fighters out there , not only the ones that compete in the ufc.
And don’t say anything about rogers, I’m pretty sure he knock you out in his sleep, idiot !
Stop drinking chocolate protein shakes and eating egg whites to look buff man !
Fedor has a signed deal with M-1 global and they are not dodging anyone. Dana White doesn’t want to do business with M-1 global because he is a greedy bastard and want’s to have full control over his fighters. Brock Lesnar would not be able to beat Fedor at this moment. He still hasn’t acquired the necessary skill to beat someone like Fedor.
Josh Turner, just another MMA noob from USA…Carwin and Lesnar? Whaaat? It must be a dumb american thing to believe that a big muscular dude is the badass when it comes to fighting, otherwise the smaller guy has no chance…Fedor would destroy either one of those boring wrestlers in no more than 2 rounds and then still outdrink both of them in the after party! Josh, this is why Pride FC was awesome, cause stupid and boring american wrestlers were getting stomped on, too bad that rule is banned across MMA promotions, i enjoyed it quite a bit!
Did you take a royalty payment from Mr. White to write such a noobish article? I like it though, it brings out the american opinion of Fedor, the king, the greatest heavyweight and p4p fighter of all times and on this planet!
I don’t understand the doubt about Fedor? Fighting in the UFC doesn’t determine globally who the best fighters are, it only determines the best in the UFC. Correct me where I’m wrong please, regarding this notion.
My real issue with this debate has to do with the HW division in general. Lesnar is a gifted athlete, and a massive man, but not a great fighter(yet?). I do not want to see Fedor enter the UFC, because like HH, Mir and Couture before him, he could lose to Lesnar, from sheer size and strength alone. I’ve always had a problem with MMA adopting boxings HW to SHW gap from 205-265. I just don’t see the competitive balance of a 60 pound weight gap when wrestling and grappling etc are involved in an enclosed space. Moreover, does a man at 230 feel less pain when punched by a 285 pound man then, lets say a 205 man? I don’t think so.
Fedor is the best PFP HW in the world, bar none, but he has his limits. Diminishing his accomplishments by stating he hasn’t fought the evolution of the sport is ridiculous. Considering the context of the statement, what is the evolution of the sport? Giant men that can cut to 265, but walk around at 280-295 come fight night, facing opponents that have to fatten up to reach 233? This isn’t Fedor loving, this is just simple observation. Would the same doubt creep up on Silva’s legacy if he lost while fighting at 205? I doubt it. It would be chalked up to stepping up a weight class, so why all the doubt about Fedor’s incredible dominance so far?
Anyway, got off track. Nobody questions the BJ Penn, GSP, AS etc, and they have the benefit of fighting opponents at the same weight (BJ Penn I know has moved up and down numerous times, but that didn’t go so well) yet even though Fedor is a smaller HW, he has continued to defeat all manner of opponent, big or comparable, and still you and many others diminish his legacy. I just don’t think Fedor needs to beat a Lesnar or a Carwin to prove he’s the best there is. Lesnar/ Carwin would have to start beating up athletic 330 pound SHW’s with collegiate wrestling backgrounds before I’d start to take notice as a fan as to whether or not they are worthy to challenge for Fedor’s crown (and really, would that be MMA, or just cattle wrestling?). For that matter, same goes for the rest of the debated PFPs. Lets see them step up and routinely face men 20-50 pounds heavier and see if how their records fare?
Fedor is the PFP champ, by definition inherent in the claim. Silva is close, same with Henderson. Lesnar and the rest of the Gorillas in HW UFC are just that, gorillas. Fans should feel shame for even buying into the Dana White/ UFC nonsense. Those corporate vampires are going to suck the MMA market dry. Zuffa will continue to market, package, brand, copyright, contract, and legally bind everything fighting in NA. Then they will go publicly traded, and cash out. What will be left for NA fight fans will be a hybrid of boxing and WWE, but less entertaining, and much more hollow!!
And really man, Overeem and Duffee in the same sentence as Fedor is silly. Same goes for Valesquez. They have to achieve slightly more then what they have to be taken seriously. I mean you can hype them all you want, if that makes it seem more likely that they’d have a snowballs chance in hell against Fedor. Man, UFC marketing really has blinded many. Good for them I suppose, might sell more crappy pay per views.
THAT´S RIGHT GUYS!!
Fedor is the most complete.
There will be a day that fedor lose…that´s normal. Fedor is fighting strong guys so the longer he fight…the higher the risk that someone gets a lucky fight and win.
But that doesn´t mean he won´t be the best.
There is only one way when you can say someone ´might´ be better then fedor and thats when you win a ´best of 5´ from him.
Amen!
Yo josh do yourself and every mma fan a favor and shoot yourself.
Woowwwww!!!!
This writer must be on his knees and Dana White is in front of him. This seriously has got to be the ONLY article I have read in my life that does not call Fedor the greatest fighter in the world. The writer definitely did not do his research. Fedor did not sigh with the UFC because he is ducking the best fighters, he didnt sign because he doesnt wanna sign away his life. He is too big to just agree to any terms Dana White wants. I put my money on that Fedor will shut down UFC cause they are all about money and not the sport. Fedor is about the sport that he loves, he will not sell out for money like this writer which is probably getting free tickets from Dana White or something like that. Fedor is not the best?!!! What?? I guess every single website / magazine / MMA tv show has him ranked as number 1 for no reason right?
Why is Brock even in the top 10, he has what 5 fights in his whole career and already lost one by gettin submitted by Mir. Mir is not even good, Fedors submition skills would destroy Brock. And what is that Fedor never had never felt a punch? What about Rogers that dude is a beast, he hit Fedor plenty of times and still got dropped. What about Fujita? What about Cro Cop? Why is this Carwin dude any better?
I dont even have to defend Fedor his skill can defend him, so mr writer of this article please stick to writing about baseball or something cause MMA is definetely not your “cup of tea”
Wow do Fedor fans ever get there panties tied in a knot LOL. Fedor is a great fighter and right now him and NOG or the greatest HW’s ever. Times change though and like the writer here many believe Brock is the best now, so big deal Hughes is still the greatest WW in UFC history but right now GSP is the best and many believe will become the best ever but he’s not there yet. Just because the writer believes Brocks better now and maybe a few other fighters doesn’t mean Fedor isn’t still one of the best today. There is no shame in Fedor ducking the UFC M1 knows if there is close to the same calibure of money it would be better financially in the long run and is a better business move and remember at the end of the day fans come and go and Fedor and M1 have families and themselves to think about would you risk long term riches in the deadly UFC HW division or would it make better business since in padding and collecting off Fedors legacy. It’s not what some want to hear but it’s the truth Fedor has not fought the #2 or three HW since NOG deal with it.
Do you really believe that out of the thousands of fighters in the world, the two hundred under contract with UFC are the best???? The UFC heavyweight limit is 265lbs!!! Imagine what Tom Erickson would do to your “BIG” wrestlers, he’s easily 300lbs and a solid wrestler who just happens to be too big for UFC. And all the above with the exception of Cain would be way too slow and way too big not to miss, especially Carwin with his big ol’ head. Cain almost got KO’d by Cheick Kongo!! Fedor is faster than Congo and hits way harder. Brett Rogers would smash thru most of the UFC rankings, without a doubt. And why does Josh Turner try to put it out there like Fedor can’t wrestle?? Must be another UFC fanboy believing all the UFC hype….
The only UFC HW that I can see giving Fedor some real problems is Jr. Dos Santos….keep an eye out for him….
LMAO Tom Erickson would get his ass handed to him by 7 or 8 UFC HW. I don’t what your smoking but that was the most retarded statement I ever heard Heath Herring kicked his ass LOL. You obviously have little MMA knowlege and just made Fedor even look worse with such an ignorant statement. You take both Brock and Fedor out of the picture and the UFC HW divisons top 5 fighters would destroy any other HW division and thats the truth.
Making up numbers is just retarded.
puck head? are you joking or just retarded? i doubt many ufc hw’s could take out overeem, rogers, barnett, werdum or aleks emelianenko.
Jah Overeem LMAO, Overeem would have a tough fight against four or five of the UFC LHW fighters infact he got his ass handed to him by Rua LOL. jah that was funny I hope you were joking? With out a doubt the UFC HW would walk over Strikeforces there is no doubt there Overeem is a great K1 fighter but he’s not a top ten MMA fighter thats for sure. Werdum got Knocked the F out against Santos and is to small to take on any big HW he should really think about trying to get to LHW his JJ skills are great but he is not that strong and gets over powered easily around the same calibure of fighter as Overeem. Barnett great fighter but how good is he with out roids is the question. On the roids yeah he’s a top five and tough challenge for anyone but I can’t see him being able to fight anywere that tests for a long time. All in all Fedor is a great fighter but fighting at Strikeforce is a waste of time and proves nothing.
Your argument is a 2-way street. If these UFC fighters are so great, why aren’t they doing all they can to seek out fights with Fedor? That’s what I don’t get. Fedor has been fighting longer than Zuffa has existed.
yeah agreed. Overeem was a shitty LHW, mainly because he was weak mentally and physically and also very young. i dunno if he’s improved mentally, but he’s obviously gotten a lot bigger and probably has one of the most complete skill sets at HW. which UFC HW could beat Hari and Aerts in k-1? apparently his grapplings not bad either. i’m not gonna deny him juicing because its obvious he has, but thats something that also goes both ways, you don’t think Lesnar’s all natural do you?
Stupid article.
Brock is 4-1 and doesn’t even deserve to be compared to a guy like Fedor who’s been #1 in his weight division much longer than any other fighter in MMA. He’s beaten everyone put in front of him from 2000 to 2010. That’s a decade of dominance. A feat that will most likely never be duplicated.
Lesnar just stepped onto the scene and now we have American douchebag journalists sweeping history under the rug and proclaiming him the “true champion” after only 4 wins (and a recent loss). The fact that he wins because he outweighs his opponents by 40-60 pounds is just sad, but he’ll be exposed soon enough.
I remember the days when everyone said Fedor would get his ass handed to him if he fought guys like Arlovski, Sylvia and Couture (the UFC HW champions of then).
History repeats itself. Same story, different names.
Fedor is ranked #1. If Brock wants to be #1, he should seek out Fedor. Not the other way around. Fedor will take all comers, just like he accepted fights with Arlovski, Sylvia and Couture (last one was prevented by the UFC who was scared shitless that Fedor would ruin yet another one of their champions).
Fedor has more victories than all the guys in the articles combine………………………….
@Carlos
With all your respect. And this is coming from a Fedor fan. Fedor hasnt faced anyone like Brock. You say he has faced bigger ones. But Brock is fast, strong and can wrestle. Remember how Mark Hunt caused fedor mad problems with being on top of him. And Mr Hunt doest have 5% of Brock’ s wrestling.
It would be difficult to put it any better. I agree with every word you said. You are a smart dude.
I am also one of those that dont want to see Fedor in the UFC because the only thing it might prove is that Even Fedor can be owned by guys twice as big as him. IF lesnar would beat Fedor which is likely. That would prove nothing. Well maybe it would prove what we already know, that size matters. But would he be a better fighter than Fedor? NO! Fedor is a complete mixed martial artist, who is good at every position and who has defeted fighters with significant weight, size advantage.
I just dont see why ppl want to find a guy who is 30 pounds heavier(after cutting another 30 pounds) than Fedor to RAPE him with his size advantage and then say out loud, i told you FEDOR SUCKS, you see he got destroyed he is not the best…….
As for this P4P argument. I think to be even considerd a p4p best than you should have fought in multiple weight classes , faced heavier opponents than yourself and done it good.
Fedor has done that. Dana white calles GSP one of the best p4p yet he says GSP wont probably fight at middle weight due to size disadvantage ( dont get me wrong GSP is very very good, imo best at his weight class). Yet the weight difference between welterweight and middle weight is 15 pounds. within heavy weight class you face guys who can be over 30 pounds heavier( something Fedor has seen often). at extreme cases 60 pounds heavier….
We all know Fedor is a great fighter just because a lot like myself believe Brock would beat him is no disrespect against Fedor and a few others in the UFC would give him a challenge as I’m a huge fan of Fedor I just believe the tools Brock has combined with his size and strength advantage will be to much for Fedor. As far as GSP fighting at MW he could beat almost every guy but going against the pound for pound champion that will carry a 30 pound weight advantage is a different story. in the end it’s all opinion unless they actually fight but I truely believe from watching most of Fedors fights he has troubles with the wrestling style more than any other style wich is why I thought Barnett would have a great chance against him and Brock would own him.
Size and strength don’t always work well against skill- Nogueira vs. Bob Sapp. As for wrestling: Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, Tsuyoshi Kosaka, Naoya Ogawa, Kazuyuki Fujita, Heath Herring, Nogueira, Hong-Man Choi, Matt Lindland, all some form of wrestling or another. I’ll admit, Lesnar if a f#@&ing psycho, roid rage much, and he very well could beat Fedor, but I sure as hell know that Fedor would knock Lesnar the fuck out.
That hilarious bob Sapp lost to three or four Heavy weights do you understand the skill Brock has, even if he was 240LBS he would be a good MMA fighter the fact that he is 285 when he steps in the octagon is insane as his wresling skill is nearly twice the skill as Barnetts who over the years was a bigger fighter than most of his opponents and was able to control them with his wrestling Brock has a great chance against Fedor as Fedors only hope is to KO brock.
Its not just size and strength, its Lesnar’s athleticism that makes him so dangerous. Most people don’t like hearing this, but the reality is Lesnar is the evolution of the sport because he’s one of the first truly athletically gifted fighters.
People often mistake experience or physical appearance with athleticism, and that simply is not so. Most athletically gifted people pursue Football, Soccer, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey etc..now we are seeing the transition, where athletes are pursuing MMA, and I’ll tell you right now, 80 percent of the existent fighters will be a forgotten footnote in a couple of years.
This transition will cause fighters and fight fans to reexamine MMA because athleticism will change the approach and shatter preconceived notions of fighter preparation and discipline relevance to training. Athletically gifted people learn faster, and can do much more with less then the average Joe.
MMA fighters up to this point, while having lots of experience and motivation etc, have just not been great athletes, cause lets face it, fighting had been a fringe activity usually dominated by outcasts (in the sense of not succeeding in the typical or popular sports) while the majority of truly athletic people succeeded in the money driven sports.
While I don’t for one second believe there aren’t athletic people in MMA, I just mean the cream of the crop are just now starting to enter, and it will change the landscape forever. If you doubt this, just look at Lesnar, pounding the crap out of Couture, Herring, Mir. Those three alone are about as experienced as it gets, and it would take more then just size and strength to defeat them.
I wrote about Fedor earlier, and this is one primary point I forgot to mention about him. Despite his appearance, the guy is extremely gifted athletically, and I truly believe that is the component of his dominance that is not understood, and why he will always be such a tough opponent for any MMA fighter. Even when he’s not winning a fight, he can adapt, improvise and learn very quickly how to counter and defeat his opposition. His experience, will and IQ coupled with his athleticism is why hes the best in the world, and I don’t see that title being taken from him anytime soon. And with respect to Lesnar vs. Fedor, I still think Fedor would win, despite the size difference, because Lesnar would be facing someone on par with his athleticism, but he’d be way outclassed in experience.
…or Fedor could just submit the huge idiot.. he’s submitted big guys before.. think about it, he does have defence. He was a champion, and in my eyes, he always will be, even if “big bad Brock Lesnar” beat the F#[K out of Fedor, he will always be one of the greatest champions of all time, which is not something I would even dream of saying for Brock Lesnar.
@Puck Head
Fedor would kill lesnar. you talk about fedor not facing anyone. well who has lesnar fought. i hope you dont mention Randy Couture, cuz he cant even beat Chuck Liddell. Not one person in the UFC could match up with Fedor, shoot they probably couldnt even touch Brett Rogers. If Dana really cared about the fans this fight would of been made possible. how hard is it to sign a deal with M-1 Global, make it a 50/50 event. kind of like senguko and dream are doing. Then you can make fedor-lesnar, whomever agains GSP, and Penn. and Anderson Silva against their top guy. THe only victory for strikeforce would be FEDOR, cuz all the other guys are untouchable in their weight classes.
“Fedor is bigger than the UFC all over the world,” Finkelchtein repeated to Fighters.com, a claim hard to verify, but likely true in three key markets: Russia, Japan, and South Korea.
Please……..Fedor is an out of shape fighter…fighting nobody’s and losers who have been kicked out of the UFC…..Fedor lives in fanatsy land, as do his fans….Come to the UFC forget the money and PROVE your the best…..You wouldn’t survive Fedor..It would end your little fantasy career…That’s the real reason behind not coming to UFC…..anything else said is pomp and BS.
What a stupid comment. Fedor has to prove he’s the best to the UFC and their fanboys you shill troll ? Or should I say shitroll. Congratulations on your 16th birthday. Hope you got the Brock Lesnar (or Dana White) fathead you wanted on your bedroom wall. Without Fedor coming to this sport, the heavyweight mma picture wouldn’t have a measure by with other ‘heavys’ are measured.
It’s funny how you and a slight few other idiots hold on to the tarnished opinions that Fedor has to prove his legacy (like he himself even CARES about one) to you or anyone else, rather than enjoying the greatest mma fighter of all time. Sports Illustrated’s fighter of the decade.
Some fighters that say Fedor is the best: BJ Penn, George St. Pierre, Noguera, Shogun, Bas Rutten, Jake Shields, and on and on and on. Here are some embeds from youtube for your dumbass. Now, you will have to copy each one of these imbeds specifically, and when you go to youtube, there is in embed box right below the ‘url’ box on the right side of the screen. You will have to delete the current embed, press and hold down the ‘ctrl’ button on you keyboard, and press the letter ‘v’.
Then GOOGLE ” The greatest fighter that ever lived” /end thread
Best Match-up fight for Fedor Emelianenko in the UFC
1 Fedor vs Frank Mir (for a serious fight)
2 Fedor vs Carwin (for a ‘more serious’ MMA fight)
3 Fedor vs Lesnar (for a highly marketable fight)
4 Fedor vs Anderson Silva (for an exhibition special payperview fight)
Too Funny “Sparkuri”…..Name one Top Contender Fedor has fought in the last 3 Years??? YOU CAN’T! He has built a record on Hasbeen’s & Nobody’s since the fall of Pride…..It’s like being a reaaly good top ten Pitcher in Baseball and then playing in AAA League….Makes it look it easy…He’s not good He is out of shape ( Fat ) and he fights nobody’s …..You stay in your little fantasty Fedor Land….But know this Punk if Fedor comes to UFC he loses to the entire Top 5 Guaranteed!
“Robby”, It’s clear to anyone that reads your crap you’re a complete UFC shill. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. To name three top ranked fighters Fedor has beat in the top 3 years: Andrei Arlovski, Tim Sylvia, Brett Rogers. I’m sure you don’t think they’re top tier. Andrei is what ? Washed up has been the UFC didn’t resign ? Same with Sylvia who got beat by Ray Mercer ? Brett Rogers overrated ? Mark Hunt not a real mma fighter just good at K-1 ? Even though he beat Vanderlei and Cro- Cop in their prime ? Matt Lindland at his prime, but what ? Underweight ? Hong Man Choi who only beat Jose Canseco ? (you might want to google his record). And your, eh hem “point” about AAA league, by that , as far as heavyweights go, would be called by 50% of planet earth, the UFC. I’m sure you heard of them PUNK.
BTW, who’s in your top 5 UFC guys ? Brock (roided out and 4-1, and may never fight again thanx to roid caused diverticulitis) ? Shane Carwin (rated under Brett Rogers before Fedor) ? Frank Mir ( finally living up to potential after several embarrasing performances) ? Dos Santos (legit in my book) ? Kongo ? Cain (that would actually be interesting) ? Noguera (whom Fedor destroyed twice) ? Cro-Cop (past prime and already beat)
All the heavyweights I listed are good fighters and FINALLY give the UFC’s heavyweight division credibility. But other than Nog, no one comes close to the accomplishments of Fedor, and 90% of the planet agrees. Each one of those fighters would or has disagree/d with your completely ignorant opinion. Anderson Silva:”Fedor wouls beat me”.
Shane Carwin: “Of course it would be an honor to fight the greatest fighter that ever lived”.
Brock Lesnar:”It would be an honor to test myself AGAINST Fedor”.
Mir: “I think Fedor is the best in the world, reason being, he’s so well rounded”.
George St. Pierre: “If you ask me about pound for pound, I think Fedor is ahead of me right now-Feb, 5th, 2009″.
Randy Couture: “Fedor is the best pound for pound fighter in the world”.
Noguera: ” He’s the fastest I’ve ever seen, I think physically, he’s the fastest heavy guy in mma history”.
Josh Barnett: “Our great champion, he is the best in the world”.
Tim Sylvia: “I don’t even think he’s human. I don’t think anyone is gonna beat him for awhile”.
Quinton Jackson(Rampage to you): “Fedor is the toughest man on the planet”.
Vanderlei Silva: “Nobody wants to fight Fedor”.
Mauricio “Shogun Rua: “Emelianenko Fedor is the greatest pound for pound fighter”.
Renato”Babalu” Sobral: “I’ve fought people from around the world, and seen many strong fighters. But like him ? Never !”
Brandon Vera: ” Fedor is just too dominate. He’s in a whole different class by himself”.
Jake Shields: “Fedor is the best fighter I’ve ever seen. I watched him live in person in Japan and it was a great experience. You could really see how great he was”.
Kevin Randelman: ” The best to climb in any arena. He’s in his own league and you can’t compare nobody”.
Mark Hunt: “He’s the best and undefeated. He’s the shit. ”
Phil Baroni: “Best in the world, no doubt”.
Mark Coleman: “He is the best”
Bas Rutten: ” Fedor has no weakness. I have yet to find a flaw in his game. I’ve never seen anything like h…..I’m, ..I’m just blown away. He doesn’t care if he looks good in a picture, he doesn’t care if he’s a little chubby, he just fights. His facial expression doesn’t change no matter what he does. I don’t know how he does it”.
Frank Trigg; ” Fedor is the most incredible fighter you’ll ever see”.
Pedro Rizzo: “Fedor is on top”.
Tito Ortiz: “Fedor is the top pound for pound in my eyes”
Joe Rogan(Your co-hero): That is the baddest motherf%#@er on the planet.”
“Big” John McCarthy: “Fedor is the baddest man on the planet”
Yuji Shimada: “Fedor is the best pound for pound in the world”.
Diego Sanchez: “Probably the best ever lived……he’s a living legend right now and I don’t think there’s a man on this that can beat him; the man is unreal, pound for pound best in the world”.
And finally…..”Robby: “He’s not good, he’s fat and fights nobodies”
Merry 18 th Christmas to Wobby, and have a UFC year. And never post again.
BJ Penn: “He’s the best, he’s my favorite”.
Jake Shields:
dude,.. sparkuri is right, and he has all the right in the world to question you. So what if Fedor hasn’t faught people who are up to par with him,.. do you think he would train any less. Fedor has always had mad skills, you don’t become a Russian Sambo champion on blowing people over, and even if Fedor didn’t train, he’d be like BJ Penn, who can beat the fuck out of someone even if he doesn’t train. People like Fedor with their skills, yes, you need a challenge every once in a while, and you need to train regularly, which I’m sure he does, but the shit he has, it’s like riding a bike to him, you never forget,.. but I suppose with you, still using your training wheels, wouldn’t know what that’s like. Get over trying to diss one of the greatest fighters in history, even if he loses, you cannot compare anyone to him, his legacy will live on longer than any of your “top five” pick. Give it up.
And to “sparkuri,” rock on dude!
@robby
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Dan Henderson?
@Bunny Hemlock Is about the funniest person I think I have ever read. Where does this person come up with the things he says. Truly a genius. I hope you have your own editorial cause I’d subscribe. Seriously Bunny, I got all my friends to read your posts, they were dying laughing. I think I found someone that finds Dana more repulsive then I do lol